I don't know
10:27:51 PM Caitlin: and now nothing is said because there is nothing to say
10:28:34 PM Doug: but is it ever a case of having nothing to say or merely having a context in which words themselves are unnecessary?
10:29:21 PM Caitlin: I believe words are unnecessary
10:31:14 PM Doug: but again we must ask: is it because we are at a level where the merest action or inaction, verbal or otherwise, transcends any mundane spoken language to be received as pure communication, or are we just tired?
10:31:26 PM Caitlin: I'd like to believe the first one
10:31:27 PM Doug: and I must ask myself: am I making any sense?
10:31:33 PM Caitlin: you are
10:31:49 PM Doug: that is amazing unto a level which I have never seen
10:33:36 PM Caitlin: well, many things can be amazing unto an level unseen before, understanding twisting logic is just one of them
10:34:54 PM Doug: or demented ramblings which manage to match the same frequency of logic but are understandable only in a world that is unknowable by sane men and is ruled by non-Euclidean geometry and nightmarish beings
10:35:08 PM Doug: but I could be wrong
10:35:31 PM Caitlin: now you're just having fun with messing with my mind
10:38:02 PM Doug: it is entirely possible: my motivations run in the currents of my subconscious, currents deep enough to only surface in my dreams, which are usually haunted by dinosaurs, both in metaphor and literally; however it is equally possible that I should probably get sleep and this need is being communicated in the fashion of my missives becoming increasingly incoherent
10:39:22 PM Caitlin: frankly, I think you're making a lot of sense, not incoherent at all, actually, the speaking in metaphors is really great, although the dinosaur thing was pretty funny
10:42:31 PM Doug: dinosaurs: they haunt me in the present and past, as manifestations of my past and present; they represent my fear of becoming obsolete and my fear of those who have become obsolete coming back to me; I can see no difference between nostalgia and an imminent sense of doom, as they have the same meaning: that you are growing farther from your prehistoric beginnings and middles and drawing ever closer, ever inevitably, to your ends
10:43:13 PM Caitlin: I am.... stunned, in all sense of the word
10:43:42 PM Caitlin: completely speechless, I have nothing to say (for once)
10:46:58 PM Doug: a lack of words speaks volumes in and of itself; from its context may be derived its meaning, through study and observation. may it mean that the nonspeaker truly has nothing to say? doubtful. may it mean that nothing is dared spoken, lest an onslaught be provoked? or that nothing short of an expletive would be suitable to say, yet unsuitable to say outside of one's own mind? or can it mean something innocent, a plea or request for more time, to think of something appropriate or constructive, or, inversely, a response to deconstruct previous words?
10:48:27 PM Caitlin: wow...
10:48:39 PM Caitlin: words can be so powerful when used constructively
10:53:41 PM Doug: words have a power to construct and deconstruct, and neither is objectively better than the other; words can be constructed to harm, built into a mental siege weapon, or they may be constructed into something beautiful, a work of ages and love; equally may they deconstruct previous, malignant structures, removing thorns from paws, as well as deconstructing all that might stand for benevolence, those fragile structures that are what we call the human psyche; they may build a man up, turn him into a king, or rip someone into shreds, in meaning as close to literal as possible while remaining entirely metaphorical. words have power beyond any physical instrument. no sword can break man's spirit.
10:55:02 PM Caitlin: wow..... those aren't just words.... that's art
10:56:15 PM Doug: art is subjective and you know I just cannot keep up talking like that
10:56:21 PM Caitlin: haha
10:56:25 PM Caitlin: I figured it would end soon
10:56:46 PM Caitlin: I really must talk to you more, it's highly enjoyable, very amazing, and simply graceful
10:57:04 PM Doug: I'm much more entertaining in the evening
10:57:12 PM Caitlin: well, I'll remember that
10:57:52 PM Doug: the little editor in my head goes away and I'm unencumbered by things like social necessity and grammatical structure and I really don't know when to stop typing
10:58:34 PM Caitlin: well, it's lovely, and not knowing when to stop sometimes helps because then more amazement is a result
10:58:45 PM Doug: sometimes
10:58:50 PM Caitlin: it did tonight
10:58:57 PM Doug: I was in rare form
10:28:34 PM Doug: but is it ever a case of having nothing to say or merely having a context in which words themselves are unnecessary?
10:29:21 PM Caitlin: I believe words are unnecessary
10:31:14 PM Doug: but again we must ask: is it because we are at a level where the merest action or inaction, verbal or otherwise, transcends any mundane spoken language to be received as pure communication, or are we just tired?
10:31:26 PM Caitlin: I'd like to believe the first one
10:31:27 PM Doug: and I must ask myself: am I making any sense?
10:31:33 PM Caitlin: you are
10:31:49 PM Doug: that is amazing unto a level which I have never seen
10:33:36 PM Caitlin: well, many things can be amazing unto an level unseen before, understanding twisting logic is just one of them
10:34:54 PM Doug: or demented ramblings which manage to match the same frequency of logic but are understandable only in a world that is unknowable by sane men and is ruled by non-Euclidean geometry and nightmarish beings
10:35:08 PM Doug: but I could be wrong
10:35:31 PM Caitlin: now you're just having fun with messing with my mind
10:38:02 PM Doug: it is entirely possible: my motivations run in the currents of my subconscious, currents deep enough to only surface in my dreams, which are usually haunted by dinosaurs, both in metaphor and literally; however it is equally possible that I should probably get sleep and this need is being communicated in the fashion of my missives becoming increasingly incoherent
10:39:22 PM Caitlin: frankly, I think you're making a lot of sense, not incoherent at all, actually, the speaking in metaphors is really great, although the dinosaur thing was pretty funny
10:42:31 PM Doug: dinosaurs: they haunt me in the present and past, as manifestations of my past and present; they represent my fear of becoming obsolete and my fear of those who have become obsolete coming back to me; I can see no difference between nostalgia and an imminent sense of doom, as they have the same meaning: that you are growing farther from your prehistoric beginnings and middles and drawing ever closer, ever inevitably, to your ends
10:43:13 PM Caitlin: I am.... stunned, in all sense of the word
10:43:42 PM Caitlin: completely speechless, I have nothing to say (for once)
10:46:58 PM Doug: a lack of words speaks volumes in and of itself; from its context may be derived its meaning, through study and observation. may it mean that the nonspeaker truly has nothing to say? doubtful. may it mean that nothing is dared spoken, lest an onslaught be provoked? or that nothing short of an expletive would be suitable to say, yet unsuitable to say outside of one's own mind? or can it mean something innocent, a plea or request for more time, to think of something appropriate or constructive, or, inversely, a response to deconstruct previous words?
10:48:27 PM Caitlin: wow...
10:48:39 PM Caitlin: words can be so powerful when used constructively
10:53:41 PM Doug: words have a power to construct and deconstruct, and neither is objectively better than the other; words can be constructed to harm, built into a mental siege weapon, or they may be constructed into something beautiful, a work of ages and love; equally may they deconstruct previous, malignant structures, removing thorns from paws, as well as deconstructing all that might stand for benevolence, those fragile structures that are what we call the human psyche; they may build a man up, turn him into a king, or rip someone into shreds, in meaning as close to literal as possible while remaining entirely metaphorical. words have power beyond any physical instrument. no sword can break man's spirit.
10:55:02 PM Caitlin: wow..... those aren't just words.... that's art
10:56:15 PM Doug: art is subjective and you know I just cannot keep up talking like that
10:56:21 PM Caitlin: haha
10:56:25 PM Caitlin: I figured it would end soon
10:56:46 PM Caitlin: I really must talk to you more, it's highly enjoyable, very amazing, and simply graceful
10:57:04 PM Doug: I'm much more entertaining in the evening
10:57:12 PM Caitlin: well, I'll remember that
10:57:52 PM Doug: the little editor in my head goes away and I'm unencumbered by things like social necessity and grammatical structure and I really don't know when to stop typing
10:58:34 PM Caitlin: well, it's lovely, and not knowing when to stop sometimes helps because then more amazement is a result
10:58:45 PM Doug: sometimes
10:58:50 PM Caitlin: it did tonight
10:58:57 PM Doug: I was in rare form
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